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honored with six grammys, president obama said there will be one killer blues session in heaven tonight. a lovely way to summarize a man who lived a long and lovely life. anderson starts tonight. >> as we start with the marathon bombing, and we start with the name and faces who should be remembered and not the name of the bomber that we are not giving you. robert lindsay will you, sean collier, and we remember their families and their friends and the hundreds of people injures on april, 2013.
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richards parents asked for the bomber to get life in prison. others are glad about the verdict. i'm speak with a survivor whose story we've been following. but first deborah is live from the courtroom when the verdict happened. what was it like? >> it was silent. 17 capital count and on 16 the bomber was sentenced to six, and all related to the pressure cooker that he played at the restaurant and walking away contributing to the death of martin richard and lingzi lu. and they were dabbing tears in their eyes and hugging each other and there was no jubilation and you can feel how
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somber and serious that decision what with the jury and that resonated with one man and one man said i'm not quite sure how to feel and another said this is not about celebration, it is about justice, anderson. >> and i want to bring in our senior legal analyst jeffrey toobin were you surprised by this? >> not really. this could have gone either way. polls said only 20% of the people wanted tsarnaev to be sentenced to death but they didn't sit through the trial. and the people the poll. and the facts in the case were so awful. and tsarnaev's roll was so unapologetic that was not terribly surprising. >> the appeals process, how long does that go on for? >> timothy mcveigh was convicted in 1994 and executed in 2001.
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that was fast. we've had people on death row in this country for many year and so we're looking at many many years. and most appeals fail. and he does have one issue that might succeed and that is the failure to move the trial from boston and get a change of venue. and you had a case that involved the city the marathon shutting down the city there was a strong argument to move it away and the judge didn't and that may result in a change to the death penalty here. and jeff toobin, appreciate you being with us. there is a lot to cover about this sentence. for years we've been following the progress of a survivor a dancer who vowed to dance again. she testified in the penalty phase of the bomber's trial and
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learned the verdict today along with the rest of us watching from home and i'm pleased that adrianne watches us now. and i was thinking about you and the others that heard the verdict and when you first heard it what did you think? >> gosh anderson i thought i would be happy, i thought i would be incredibly joyful and it was extremely somber. my thought immediately went to the families and to those that really felt strongly in the other direction. i'm prodeath penalty and i'm certainly happy with the verdict but my thought is with the entire survivor community and we can say what we believe but it is up to the very capable jury and i'm pleased with the result. >> do you feel like this is justice for what this person did to -- or these two people did to
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you, to your husband, to so many others? >> i do. i feel like this is justice. i feel like we have the justice system for a reason and this is the exact reason you know. it is the -- the ultimate justice that you pay. and i have a very difficult time believing that when these acts were committed that they didn't have that in the back of their minds. >> and i don't want to use the name of this person this bomber or show his picture now or frankly ever i also hate that word closure -- i don't think that exists i think that is a made-up tv word but does this change something, is it a milestone you will mark time with. >> you know i appreciate you saying your thoughts on closure. i feel the exact same way. people say this brings so much closure. it is not. i'm effected every day.
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i haven't stood in a shower in two plus years and a lot of survivors haven't and we're still going through surgeries, we being the survivor community. but i do think it is a milestone. myself and others have been preparing for this trial for a very long time over a year. and so in that case of the trial coming to an end, i feel like that closure is a really good closure to have to have that chapter be closed in the trial phase is good. but this will forever affect everyone's life that was involved. >> you were not in court today, as we said you were at home and you testified against him in the penalty phase and last time we talked we talked about how you stopped and you just kind of stared him down can you tell us a little bit what was going through your mind in that moment and why you decided you didn't want to be there today?
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>> yeah. absolutely. so i did stare him down. and as you and i talked about and i kind of had that moment that i needed. i don't even knew that i needed it at the time. and i stared him down and i felt really good about that. i had seats in the trial for the -- for another day and for closing arguments and i didn't go. and i'm really happy that i didn't go and i wasn't there today. i feel like that moment that i stared him down was the last moment that i had with him and i feel really good about that and i feel good that that was the send-off that that is what i ended it with. i don't want to see him again. and i feel like for myself and everyone is going through their own heartache, but for me that is what i needed. >> adrianne it is good to have you on again. thank you very much. >> thank you very much.
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anderson it is always a pleasure to see you. and updating you on another survivor richard donahue, he nearly died in the shootout between the police. and today, same day as the verdict came in he was back at work with a promotion to sergeant. he want to send our congratulations to him and his family. quick reminder set your dvr to watch ac360 at any time you want. >> and new information did come out about the wife of the bomber and more information that did come out. and more information about the engineer and the status. we'll be right back with that.
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the news today from boston the marathon bomber has been sentenced to death. his older brother died in a shootout leaving behind a widow, a woman shrouded in mystery. during the trial for his younger brother we did learn a few things out about her. her best friend from childhood testified and said she texted katherine russ ill on the day of the bombing to see if she was okay and she texted back that she was. and a few minutes later she texted this and i quote, although a lot more people are killed every day in syria in other places innocent people. she thought it was strange.
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her daughter adopted her husband's religious beliefs and became withdrawn. more on what we know about katherine russell. >> immediately she disappeared with her small child into the suburban rhode island home of her parents. appearing only in public for a traffic ticket. >> she is trying to get her life back together and remain out of public view and trying to figure out who she is and figure out how to raise a daughter whose father was a mass murderer and that has to be a challenging task for her and her family. >> there was the lingering question of what she did know about her husband and brother-in-law's alleged plot to plant pressure cooker bombs, partially made on the kitchen table on the tiny apartment sher
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shared with tamerlan tsarnaev. russell has never been charged in connection with the bombings. they will not say if she is a suspect, a witness on noninvolved woed. a former prosecutor said regardless of whether she -- what she did or did not know it is smart for her to stay silent. >> unless she went out and purchased an item or helped him in some way of scoping out the marathon she is not technically guilty of any crime. >> she was last seen holding a niece, a child of her 24-year-old sister-in-law. her sister appeared on unrelated charged of threatening a romantic rival with a bomb and she has pled not guilty. but russell has chosen to be
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near and with her dead husband's family in new jersey rather than her parents in road island. her last known apartment was blocks from the last listed address of her sisters in law. the father believe tamerlan and dzokhar are innocent set up as arlene has stated in some sort of government conspiracy. but katherine russell's feelings are unknown and she is not talking and will not talk. >> joining me drew and our legal analysts jeffrey toobin. has she formally been cleared or i guest prosecutors don't normally do that? >> no they don't. and jeff could probably speak to this. but we heard from the fbi agent
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in boston and we think we prosecuted everything involved and that was the two brothers and he wouldn't speculate on any criminal investigation that might be going or or anybody not charged and there is a mystery of how she lived so closely to the two men and right now is not involved with this crime. >> they would have had to practice or been reading manuels or sort of must have had the equipment around in the home,ev, why won't prosecutors say point blank she's not a suspect and leave it at that? >> they don't really do that. prosecutors aren't in the business of clearing people. they identify people as suspects or targets. she's apparently neither one. all i can say, she is a deep mystery and all of us wonder about her.
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but there is not -- it is not a crime to know about something bad that will happen and fail to stop it. so that you can sort of -- is what they concluded because how she could not know given how small that apartment was. but unless she did something to help the plot it is not a crime. >> deborah, it is interesting to see the tweet or the text that she sent her friend because she was implieped that -- implying that the people at the boston marathon were not innocent that people in other places are innocent people and not the people at the bombing and still there is not a lot publicly known about this woman? >> you know there really isn't. but the interesting thing about that is look when her mother got up on the chair to testify, that he brain washed katherine
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russell and chained the way he thought and that it has taken two years to be the katherine her mother remembers her as being. and when you look at what she knew and didn't know although there were components and things that could have been used to build some sort of bomb in the apartment, it has never been 100% proven that the bomb was built there in that small house. so i spoke to one very high-level attorney who handles terrorism cases and that person told me you know what if prosecutors could charge katherine russell, it is likely they would charge katherine russell but they would have to show intent even though she was online looking up rewards for wife of hassin and what would happen to her husband traveling over in dag stan doesn't know she knew about the bomb or her
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husband's intentions and when the fbi said everybody connected has been prosecuted toss not just the two bombers, it is a number of the friends around them. they picked up anybody and everybody, including a taxi driver who the brothers had dinner with that evening and went back and deleted stuff on his computer once he found out who he had dinner with the night of the bombing. so again if they could charge her, chances are she would be charged. >> drew did you want to say anything? >> yes. i wanted to say this was a legal strategy. she was advised, lie low and make yourself available, if the fbi wants to talk to but don't talk to anybody else. that tweet was early on and then there was silence and then she was silence ever since. she has a couple of mouthy
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sister-in-laws, but she has followed her legal vice shut up and lie low and don't follow anything that the fbi could come back and take a look at. >> if she doesn't like what happened you would think there would be some way to make a statement of regret a statement at least telling what she knows about why these two people did this a generally idea of why they did it but she could fill in some of the gaps. >> or a word of sympathy for the victims. and there is -- we are obviously focused on legal responsibility but there is moral responsibility but if she had gone to the cops and said my husband is acting in a weird way and my husband is talking in a way that could be really dangerous to the community, how much better off would the world be if the cops had intervened and stopped this horrendous
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plot. so sure there is not a criminal case against her and it looks like there would never but but i think her conscious should be very heavy during the subsequent years. >> jeff thank you, and drew griffin, thank you for being on and drew we'll have more from you. and new reason to think if amtrak 188 was struck by something, just by a nearby train was, when a conductor could say that could blow up the investigation. and interviewing the train's engineer today and coming up i'll talk to brandon bostian closest friends and when they spoke to him the night brandon bostian was in the emergency room. in seconds if your card is misplaced. not here... ♪ and once you find your card, you can switch it right on again.
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breaking news about the deadly derailment about amtrak number 188. one of the assistant conductors told them could turn the investigation on its head. minutes before the accident he said his windshield had been
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shot at or hit by a rock. >> she also believed she heard her engineer saying his train had been struck by something. this is her recollection and certainly we're going to be conducting further investigation of this comment. >> so just to be clear, the assistant conductor said she heard the engineer brandon bostian saying that amtrak had been hitten by something minutes before it jumped the tracksment and we do know that other amtrak trains were struck by other projectiles at the same time amtrak derailed. the mayor said the incidents were unrelated and drew griffin joins us tonight. and so this incident about the projectiles, have you learned anything more?
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>> reporter: right now, amtrak 188, there is no evidence that anything hit that windshield. the driver sits on the right side. the damage is in the lower left side of the front windshield. that is going to be looked at by the fbi, their criminal analysis to basically determine what could have struck there. was it a rock was it a bullet consistent with anything else or consistent with the fact this was involved with a crash. but again, the information they are getting, it is kind of convoluted about an overheard radio conversation by somebody else listening on this frequency. >> overheard by the conductor on the train. do we know where she was when she heard this conversation? >> we know right where she was. she was in the fourth car, the cafe car, listening on her
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radio, the crew of the train, they all have a radio and a radio she was overhearing her engineer and the engineer of the septa train, the commuter train here talking about projectiled. the ntsb just a little while ago said they made arrange. s will talk with the septa engineer and so you'll have one of the participants speaking about what the conversation was. because as we've been reporting, the engineer of the amtrak train still can't recall anything including recalling any kind of conversation he may have had on the radio. >> do we know how much in advance of the derailment this allegedly took place? >> this all -- not really. but it all happened within the same 15-minute period. to there is two trains that were struck. one was a southbound fast amtrak
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train and the other was the southbound train. one was hit by a rock like a passenger side window. the septa has damage to the front windshield and all within 15 minutes you have the crash of amtrak 188, all in the same area about the same time and so it raises some interesting timing situation going on. >> and we know that the near did meet with the ntsb today. do we know what was said and what the latest is? >> this is what is so frustrating and again the ntsb said we need inner facing cameras in the cabs to see what is going on in the engine room. the engineer said he rings the bell passing through the 33 station and after that he can't remember anything. he can't remember the conversation he supposedly had about rocks being thrown or
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projectiles and he can't remember the crash and can't recall anything. but i just wrote down a few things we do know. he was in good health. he had a physical not long ago. he was not having any kind of sleep issues. his injuries he did have injuries but they were not consistent and did not report any injuries related to any kind of projectile that might have come through any windshield and before the crash, the crew and himself checked out the whole train and this train was running operationally fine. >> interesting. drew appreciate the update. and as we said ntsb interviewed brandon bostian, and on tuesday when he was in the hospital he spoke with his friend james weir and thank you for being with me
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and you have a close relationship with brandon bostian and what did you know when you saw the crash, did you instantly know that was his train? >> well thank you for having me. well i did. i turned on the television and i saw the news and i knew immediately it was his train and it was him. and i didn't want to believe it and i didn't want to confirm it and i reached out to him. >> and you sent him a text and did he respond. >> i did. and he responded. >> what did he say. >>? he said he was involved in the accident. that he wasn't able to talk much at the time. and that he was being sent at the e.r. >> and then you called him, right? >> that is correct, yes. >> how did he send to you, what did he say actually on the phone?
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>> the same as the text message. he sounded a bit in shock. he really couldn't talk much at that time. he's being seen for and cared for and i didn't get much of a chance at all to talk to him. >> what is he like as an engineer in terms of the way he approaches his job and conversations you've had about it? >> the best. the best. safety is his number one goal. if you were riding any kind of a train, this is the man you want to be your engineer. he is the best of the best. >> you say that based on what? because obviously, i think there is a lot of people that -- that would make them raise their eyebrows given what has happened. you have no doubt that -- you believe whatever happened to this train was not the result of error on his part? >> that is correct. and -- it's -- as many friends
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and people that have come out of the wood work in the past few days in support of him, all of the stories are consistent with his analysis with his wanting to be more safe not less safe. also with the way that he had a passion for trains. and it is all consistent -- >> it is hard to -- sorry, it is hard to explain even why in a straightaway he would be going the speed limit and even into the turn he would be going twice the speed limit. that is unknown at this point. >> it is an unknown. i wish i had an answer for that. i don't. but all i can say is we need to wait until we get all of the evidence in before we start rushing to judgment and start pointing fingers. >> well i appreciate you coming on and talking about your
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friend james, thank you. >> it is my pleasure. thank you. >> and coming up a beloved educator that inspired so many great young people and we have video of him. and we'll talk to the father and the mother of this marine that crashed in nepal, all of whom are presumed dead. we'll have details ahead. it feels great. perfect. this is not what i would expect from a chevy at all. get more than you expect, for less than you imagined at the chevy memorial day sale, going on now. get cash back for 15% of the msrp on select 2015 models in stock the longest. that's over four-thousand dollars on this chevy equinox. find new roads at your local chevy dealer. i am rich. on the grounds of my estate, i hob nob with the glitterati and play equestrian sports.
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eight people were killed when amtrak train 188 ran off the rails on tuesday night. we are learning more about each of them and our hearts go out to their families and trens. two women and six men, men and women and one midshipman. one educator and gary tuchman tonight has his story. dare griffith lost his life aboard the amtrak train that derailed in philadelphia but there are many young people that found direction in theirs because of him. and his death has stunned them. >> words cannot describe how i felt. i was angry, i was hurt i was devastated. >> jessica lay ton is a sophomore at medgar evers
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college. >> when i first came here i wanted to do biology and i never thought i was good enough and he boosted my confidence and i took me under his wing and let me know i was smart and i could achieve whatever i wanted to and i am going to pay him back i'm going to graduate and go off and become a pediatrician and make his proud. >> a school in the bronx providing an alternative umg a path to college. this was him in action. his inspirational ways in action. >> this is your time. how many people are ready to claim graduation right now? this was part of a 30 mif had the farewell video put together for a teacher called mr. griff,
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a tribute they put online for everybody to see when they found out he died in the train crash. >> mr. griff cares about us a lot. he never turns his back on you. >> he care about you, even when you are not caring about yourself. >> no matter who you are and what you do he wants you to give. >> mr. griffith was a pillar of an individual. >> rudy crew is the president of the college. >> how do you replace a man like this? >> you really don't. you realize that there are people in your life and people in your work environment for whom the gifts have been so widespread and so deep and so penetrating and compelling that they are a once in a lifetime kind of gifted person. >> derrick griffith was studying for his ph.d and he had finished his course work and was
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scheduled to get his degree in a week and a half and the you've has offered him the degree posthumously and he will forever be known as doctor griffith. >> and forever be known as a man who made a difference. >> i don't know why i'm getting so emotional right now. so here is the deal. whoa whoa whoa. yes, come here. >> and gary joins us now. and so i under dr. griffith helped young people outside of the school. >> that is right. he was a executive director a local chapter called groundwork and they help children young people who live in cities and in poor neighborhoods and he did that for quite a while. and ses survived by a son and also survived by his mother. >> our thoughts are with them. and just ahead, i'll talk to
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today a search team found the wreckage of a u.s. military
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helicopter lost on a earthquake mission in nepal. six marines and two nepal soldiers were on board. >> they were courageous and selfless individuals dedicated to the help here in nepal. and we are deeply saddened by this wreckage and we are dedicated to the recovery effort. >> they have not released the names of the marines but the family of this pilot had come forward. he joined in 2009 and served in afghanistan and his parents terry and ronald norgren join us. i'm sorry for what you are going through. ron, i can't imagine what the days have been like for you and your family. tell me about chris. he just seems like an incredible
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guy. >> chris was an in -- an incredible individual. he was doing things he loved. he loved to help people and he loved to fly. and he was just incredible. if i go too far, you let me know but he -- he played football in high school. then he went and he got a full academic scholarship at wichita university and he wanted to play football and then he went to missouri raleigh and then he got his football scholarship and he walked on and he graduated with an aerospace engineering degree and a mathematics degree. >> so he was clearly not under underachiever and i understand
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he worked in alaska and interested in photo journalism. >> oh, yeah. >> and terry, i understand the last time you spoke to him was on mother's day? >> yeah. he sent a facebook message to me and everything we could keep in contact periodically through the last deployment and everything and he had told me he was going to nepal. and he was going there to help out for the individuals and everything and i told him, that is awesome, i'm glad you're doing that but plause be careful and be safe and i flat old told him, you're going to see things that are going to be total devastation and as a mom, i'm not worried about his physical health but his mental health and how he's been able to help out. he's a strong man, he's a very good-hearted person but also very compassionate and caring individual and that speaks to his leadership and his strength
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that he has and why he's doing what he's doing. he wants to help people. that is the reason he went over there. and he told me mom, somebody has to do this. and this is what i'm supposed to be doing. >> and ron, it seems like he loves flying. he's not only good at it but he loves it. >> oh, yeah. his passion for flying started at a very early age. when he was in -- i believe it was grade school. >> no kidding, even back then? >> right. >> oh, absolutely. we sent him to space camp. >> space camp. >> in hutchinson kansas. >> it is the national one where they train the stuff for nasa. they come to hutchinson kansas for it. >> we sent him to space camp and that is where he picked up his passion for flying. >> terry, is there anything you
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want people to know about ron. he loved flying and it seemed like he loved being in the service, he loved helping people. is there anything else you wanted people to know. >> he loved people and to instill leadership qualities and for people to have a drive and for people to know they could make a difference and find what you could stand for and to commit to it and make a plan and move forward. he knew early on what he wanted to do and did it and not too many kids that young knew what they want and he did and he wanted to go ahead and make a difference and a lot of the stuff that he wanted to be able to do was to make a plan and execute it. >> not too many adults know what they want to do as he did. >> i agree. >> i'm sorry, go ahead, ronald. >> he was a great individual.
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and anybody that talked to him, he helped coach the high school football team after -- after his officer training school. and they are still using some of the techniques he used in officer training school in bishop football. and i want everybody to know an individual can make a difference. >> he certainly has done it and i know in a lot of people's lives and will continue to. >> oh, absolutely. >> ronald and terry, i'm so sorry we're talking under these circumstances and i know you're holding on to hope and in our thoughts and in our prayers and thank you so much for talking with us. >> thank you. >> thank you anderson. >> terry and ronald norgren, we'll be right back.
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welcome back now, lighter fair courtesy of anthony board a. this sunday he takes us to madda garr cass for parts unknown. he brought along a travel companion to the east koefr of africa. i talked to him when he stopped
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by my place and did a little cooking. it is the first time my stove was actually used because i'm not much of a cook at all. take a look. >> so the up coming edition, you go to madagascar and which is a place i've always wanted to go to. what is it like? >> it is unique in a lot of ways and what is most significant and because of its peculiar place as a broken off chunk of -- sitting out in the middle of the indian ocean it is home to completely unique species of animals meaning the -- just about every animal there is completely unique to madagascar and madagascar alone and so the impetuous for this show came
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from a phone call from the film director darren arinoff ski and he wrote pie and rec wee um for a dream, the wrestler black swan. he called up and said i would like to hang out with you guys. and like i would like to do something. come play with you. and i said, okay if you shoot. if you carry a camera and -- >> and so he actually shot -- >> and we said we'll go anywhere in the world you want and do anything you want as long as you give us a little film your perspective. and he said i want to go to madagascar and he's very into the environment and a vegetarian which is comedy gold. i'm not a dream date for a veg
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vegetarian vegetarian. so we did our usual version of the show and then show you a little bit of how he saw it. so it is a show about a changing world, an incredible place that i certainly knew nothing about. most people i think would have a hard time even locating mad a gas car on a map. it is an amazing, amazing place, an incredible little known history. but the show is also about a perspective and how two people with very different world views looking out two different windows, however close, see and interpret events in different ways. >> see, i actually did a little cooking with anthony bourdain i stirred the tomato sauce, wasn't much. about all i can do. and that and pour milk on cereal. don't miss anthony bourdain, parts unknown, 9:00 p.m.
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pacific, here on cnn. the special report murder at the marathon starts known. the following is a cnn special report. >> this is what they did in boston. >> oh, my god! >> get help. >> but where did they go? >> less than half an hour after you do this you are worried about what kind of milk to buy. >> there was happy and he was always peaceful and nothing malicious about them. >> and who are they and what drove them to kill? you saw